When I First Lost Religion

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I'm sure there are plenty of people who go through this without knowing that there are others like them. I was lucky enough to grow up in a non-religious family without any indoctrination at all, but even if I had I know I still would have become an atheist.

For me, it was college, when I started to understand the concepts behind the scientific method and read some Bertrand Russell - Don't believe something unless you have a reason to do so. It seemed like a simple concept.

My "island" moment happened in a psychology class, talking about the difference between materialism and free will. Materialists believe that all decisions a person makes are based on things in the physical world - their genetics, their environment, their upbringing, etc. Free will believes there is something in a person that makes decisions that are somehow independent of the outside world (like what, flipping a coin?). To me, the concept of free will independent of the physical world sounds too much like positing the existence of a soul, for which there is no evidence. The professor asked who was a materialist and who believed in free will, and I was the only one that raised my hand for the materialist side. I then had to defend my decision to the entire class.

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I'd like to think that the same is true for me, but I can't be sure. I mostly attribute my atheism to the very miniscule religious teaching I recieved in my youth, but it was still a little bit of a bumpy ride to get out of it. If I had been subject to more intense "education" ... I'm all together positive that I am that strong willed. But who can say, really?
Heh, I'm glad I didn't have to do much defending of my ideas until I had sorted out my own thoughts. About a year or two after the described event I was on much more solid ground and was able to fend off the ever-questioning religious folks at my lunch table (lunch tables are so high school). So it didn't take me long to get to a solid position, but for the first year or so I was on pretty shaky ground and couldn't really defend my positions very well. Seven years later and I'm still probing the questions, though ...

I think on the free will thing Michael Shermer's perspective makes sense to me: that we live in a determined universe where there is no inherent free will, but for all practical purposes we have free will only because it would be impossible to understand all the variables from which a particular situation is derived.
Absolutely. Free will is an illusion, but it is one so persistent that we must behave as if it's real.
Most of my friends are atheists so announcing one's lack of religion is usually greeted with a round of absolute indifference - as if you'd just declared you have a pulse, or pubic hair. In fact I only know of one person who identified himself as a Christian in my undergraduate classes. I don't know if it's a Generation Y thing in Australia, or just a Melbourne thing, but it's nice that our local museum can have an evolution gallery without having to pay lip service to any creationsist nut-jobs.
That's pretty interesting. Although, I must say that since I've been in college most of my new college friends have either been mostly indifferent non-practicing theists, agnostics or atheists. Poking fun at Christianity usually doesn't do so much as raise an eyebrow. So from where I sit it seems like the whole world is non-religious. However, when I was in High School I was definitely in the minority.

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