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He kind of hits the nail on the head, both in terms of why nuclear power is overlooked and in why it's still a problem. There are still serious problems with nuclear power, primarily the waste. The more waste there is, the more there has to be guarded, and it has to be guarded well since nuclear waste would make a great component for dirty bombs, and it would have to be guarded for freaking ten thousand years until half-life finally renders it harmless. Also, promoting greater use of nuclear power in our own country gives weight to the arguments of countries like Iran who say that they need it, too, though they would likely use the reactors for more nefarious purposes.

Still, nuclear is the best option we have for reducing carbon emissions. Thus the dilemma.

As I understand it, the 90% of the so called "waste" can be recycled and used again and again, so you get a lot of bang for your buck. Also, from what I understand, it's not nearly as radioactive as you'd think. The real radioactivity comes from when the atoms are split, and although the waste is certainly radioactive it's not as bad as it's made out to be. I'm also not so sure about the feasability of creating "dirty bombs" from waste. I've never heard any serious scientist say it was something to worry about, only detractors who aren't knowledgable in the area.

I agree with the idea that promoting Nuclear power here would empower the argument for countries like Iran to use Nuclear power. I'm not so sure nuclear power is technology easily transfered to nuclear weapons, but I could be mistaken.

In the end, though, it seems like poeople are dismissing Nuclear power out of irrational fear, rather than risk analysis. Coal is much more dangerous in extracting and burning than Nuclear and none of the other clean energy sources like geo-thermal, wind, or solar are sustainable (geo-thermal being pretty maxed out and wind and solar unreliable and regional). I think we need to take advantage of all of the resources at our disposal to fix our energy problems, and Nuclear is part of that puzzle.

Although, I could be wrong. I'm just another layman.
I have to disagree with almost everything you mentioned in the first paragraph of your comment. Being a physic graduate I have a basic understanding of nuclear physic as well as nuclear power. And almost all of what you said do not gel with any known facts.

First, not that much of the waste can be recycle. See wikipedia.

Second, the waste may not be as radioactive as 'you think' (how do you quantify that?) depending on which type of radiations emitted or the location of the element is emitting. For example, the death of the ex-KGB agent in UK last year is caused by Polonium-210 which can be considered 'harmless' because it emits alpha radiation and can be shielded by a piece of paper. But if you ingest even a tiny amount inside your body, either via your lungs or your GI tract, you will die a horrible death. Again see wikipedia.

This is why there are 'detractors' who worry about 'dirty bombs'. The nuclear waste material being dispersed through the air or contaminate the drink water supply will make even alpha and beta emitters highly toxic to human. This would also render a large area uninhabitable for a long time (think 25-50 years).

Is it likely to happen? I don't think so personally. But should we guard against it, as well as prepare the first responders for it? We absolutely have to.

Nuclear missile technology is very hi-tech and not easy to acquire or learn. But rogue states or terrorists(?) do not need a missile, all they need is something that explodes and that is relatively easy to make. Any physic graduates would have enough theoretical knowledge to build one. The rest is just engineerings and that is not high tech at all. The hardest part is to get hold of the nuclear material, which is why western governments worry about Russia and where their nuclear material had gone since the collapse of USSR.

Personally I think nuclear power has its part in the whole power generation equation. But unfortunately people's selfishness win out every time. People are already complaining about wind farms destroying their nice view of the country side or the sea. If we can't convince ourselves that something so green as wind power has a price, there is no way we can convince people to have nuclear waste in their backyard.
I'll conceed to your points since I really know absolutely nothing about the specifics of nuclear material. I do know, however, that it's extremely viable, comparatively low risk, proven technology that should at the very least provide the base for our power needs. The points that Stewart Brand made in the NY Times article about there being a "romantic" view of the environmental movement seems to hit the nail on the head. We can't eliminate risk, but we can weigh risks and take precautions. If France can provide 80% of their power on nuclear and manage alright, I think we can, as well.
What do you make of this article on Wikipedia about Reprocessed Uranium? There is also another article on Nuclear Reprocessing. I couldn't find anything that dealt with how much or how little of the nuclear waste could be reprocessed, despite your link. Much of the articles are difficult to make out unless you have some background with this stuff, so I was hard pressed to find anything. If you could cite something more specific that'd be helpful.
I am moving apartment tomorrow (well today now), so I can only be brief here. I will do a much longer post in a few days time to response properly. The links you provided are all technically correct, i.e. nothing is factually wrong with any of the nuclear fuel recycling or reprocessing process. The problem with reprocessing nuclear fuel is that the reprocessed uranium requires enriching before it becomes viable fuel again. This enrichment process offset some of the energy saving nuclear power provides. Not to mention that the enrichment plant is costly to build and protect. Also, the reprocessed fuel requires a different type of reactor to 'burn' them so now you will have to build and maintain two different type of nuclear power plants, with the associated cost of transporting the fuel between power plants and reprocessing plants.

In another word, it is not the technicality that makes nuclear power not a viable alternative. It is the current cost of obtaining, using, reprocessing, transporting, and protecting the nuclear material that makes it not competitive against other alternative energy source. This cost, in my opinion, is mainly derived from the fact that nuclear material is inheriantly unsafe and requires specical handling, let alone security to minimise thief or terrorist attack.

Anyway, I hope I've provide some more useful information to you. I also hope more people can be more educated about this subject so we can have open and educated debate instead just mug slinging :-)

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